PS90 is great, FS200 is junk

[Masterblasters]

I'll open this up. I'm an avid IPSC & 3gun shooter. I've been shooting both for a year. The PS90 is simply a great piece, works as advertised. It's like a shoulder fired race gun. The FS2000, pretty. But, you can't clear malfunctions, without a field strip, and it has a lot of malfunctions. Just not a suitable combat rifle for this reason alone. I had 2, sent the first one back and they sent me a new one 6 months later. It would'nt run either. I wish the had just blown up the PS90 in size and chambered it in 223. I will say this if you have not shot 5000 rds through it, you don't know yet. Discuss!!!

[Tomac]

I agree w/you about the PS90. Unfortunately it's a blowback design and going to .223 would necessitate a gas system of some kind and I don't see how they could engineer a mag so the much larger/longer .223 rd could navigate that 90 degree turn before chambering (but I'm not an engineer so who knows...)
I am less than thrilled w/the FS2000. My son wanted one despite my advice not to but I believe that good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgement so he can play w/it and decide for himself if it's suitable or not. I find the forend too wide for me (YMMV), it's difficult to attach accessory rails, the bolt assy is complex to the point of being scary (never seen so many levers, springs, etc in a bolt assy before!) and it just plain doesn't handle well for me. It's been very reliable so far after several hundred rounds but that's the best I can really say about it.
Bought the STG-556 for my .223 bullpup...
Tomac

[Masterblasters]

Your probably right about the mag issue, but a ps90 in 223 would be cool. I'm sure they thought of that and discarded it for valid reasons. I'm with you on the STG556, it is the best of the Augs so far, but I've yet to play with the TDP. Taking Pmags is interesting, great mag and I've already got a pile of them. But, the 42rd mag is a huge advantage in 3gun. And I love the ability to see the rounds, beats the snot out of a Pmag window. Luckily, I already had 50+ mags for the aug, and it is very easy to tune the stg to take original aug mags. I've done all my STG's and they now run on both steyr and STG mags just like my original Aug's. Has anyone heard of the Tavor21 being released in the US?

I traded my FS2000 for a Sig 556. That is an interesting rifle. I've had it three weeks and only got about 2000 rds through it. So far, it has ate and grouped every weird, cheap, high pressure, good, bad ammo I've fed it. Wolf, silver Bear, PRIVI, PMC, mil surplus, reloads, etc it runs. I'm going to keep torturing it, if it don't die I'll get a few more. It's the best out of the box, ready with no mods rifle I've ever shot to date.

Originally Posted by Masterblasters

it is very easy to tune the stg to take original aug mags. I've done all my STG's and they now run on both steyr and STG mags just like my original Aug's.

Off-topic, but how is this accomplished? Sand down the rear ribs in the magwell? Have any pics, before and after?

[Masterblasters]

Thats all, you file them down till they are flush with the edge of the magwell. Your only talking a couple of thousandths. You can force a mag in without filing and they will work, but it's really snug. File just enough so the Steyr mags go in and out smoothly. We've done it to at least 10 rifles with no adverse effects.

MSAR's goal was to make a mag that work in the Steyrs and STG556, but not the other way. But the reality is the difference is so small that is easy to overcome. They will be partially successful because most people won't do this kind of stuff to their rifle.

The key for them to sell a lot of mags is price, Quality is equal, at least to date. So people are going to buy the cheaper mag. One advatage in MSAR's mags are they fit into molle ar15 pouches much better than the Steyr's, because they are slightly thinner.\

Remember AR15's are like assholes, everybody has one.

Excellent, thanks! MSAR's new stock is supposed to take AUG mags w/o modifications, but I'm sure folks who aren't going to pony up the money for a new rifle or new stock will be glad to know about the simple mod.

PM sent as well.

[Shipwreck]

Originally Posted by Tomac

find the forend too wide for me (YMMV), it's difficult to attach accessory rails, the bolt assy is complex to the point of being scary (never seen so many levers, springs, etc in a bolt assy before!) and it just plain doesn't handle well for me. It's been very reliable so far after several hundred rounds but that's the best I can really say about it.
Bought the STG-556 for my .223 bullpup...
Tomac

I agree with you there I have picked one up at many, many gunshows - and the front end is way too wide. It is like holding a huge tuna.

I love my PS90, but can't get into the FS2000

[IMTHESKI]

Originally Posted by beretta-neo

I agree with you there I have picked one up at many, many gunshows - and the front end is way too wide. It is like holding a huge tuna.

I disagree. Whenever I pick up a big tuna I am pretty excited. Not the case with the FS2000. All jokes aside, I agree. The front grip area isn't that great. I wouldn't mind owning one but for the price there are higher items on my wishlist. PS90 and SCAR are their two best rifles in my opinion.

It is possible to use blowback on a 223, the HK33/53/93 comes to mind. No gas system in that one.

[TIII]

Originally Posted by Tomac

I agree w/you about the PS90. Unfortunately it's a blowback design and going to .223 would necessitate a gas system of some kind and I don't see how they could engineer a mag so the much larger/longer .223 rd could navigate that 90 degree turn before chambering (but I'm not an engineer so who knows...)

Is the PS90 a delayed blowback? Or a straight blowback design? I don't have anything in the 5.7 caliber, however I plan on buying a PS90 one of these days... it's just a neat concept and looks like it'd be fun to shoot.

Originally Posted by IMTHESKI

It is possible to use blowback on a 223, the HK33/53/93 comes to mind. No gas system in that one.

No gas system in the 91-93-94 family of HK weapons, nor are they conventional blowback designs (like with pistol caliber carbines etc). HK uses a delayed blowback where the bolt is locked by two rollers for an instant so when it finally cycles, it's doing so when discharge pressures have dropped substantially.

I've seen the FS2000 a number of times at various ranges and like how it ejects empty cartridges forward. It's looks (especially when compared to the uniquely styled PS90) remind me of Cinderella's step sister.

[Tomac]

PS90 is straight blowback.
Tomac